Miles Edgeworth is cool as hell, and so far, AA Investigations is being a lot closer in awesomeness to the Phoenix Wright original Trilogy than Apollo Justice. Which is a very very very good thing.
I enjoyed the game very much, though I felt the last case dragged on too long. Edgeworth is amazingly awesome beyond my powers of description, which means the game did that right.
I was really disappointed in the translation; I was not at all surprised to discover that they didn't get Alexander O. Smith to translate this one (I personally think he's the best game translator out there - he did Final Fantasy XII and Vagrant Story, in addition to the first four Ace Attorney games).
I personally really liked the Apollo Justice game. I thought it took the series, and the character of Phoenix in particular, in really interesting directions. And I absolutely adore the new prosecutors, and I thought Kristoph was a really spectacular villain.
We will have to agree to disagree. Everything you like I absolutely hated. I have a hunch there's not much to be said productive about this, but I have to ask...
How did you not see Klavier as a really huge let-down as a prosecutor after Edgeworth, both Von Karmas, and Godot?
AJ: "I see you twitching! YOU MUST BE LYING!" Klav: "Why... yes, yes she must."
Edgeworth would never stand for such bullshit, Franzy would whip you, and Godot would tell you how "Trite" this observation was. The fact that he does as much working "with" you as Edgeworth starts doing in 1-5 doesn't feel so great to me. With Edgeworth, you earn that, and the shift is pretty awesome.
Integral to this problem, the perceive mechanic bothered me a great deal. "You're twitching in a VERY suspicious and appropriate way!" in any context seems like a step backward on the drama/cool/reality scale from "You're lying, damnit, And I can prove it!"
I was SO upset when the best part of that game was the omgwtfbbq depressing flashback sequence where you get to be phoenix
Anyway -- not having courtroom segments is a weird weird feeling, especially since argument/rebuttal is mechanically identical to Testimony/Cross Ex.
I liked it that Klavier actually cared more about finding out things in a court of law than about who was the superior lawyer. It's one of the things that always saddened me about Edgeworth, actually - I think it's indicative of how completely fucked up he really is.
Also, I think the progression of "let's make Klavier prosecute people who are increasingly important to him" was very well done. They even added to the break-down animation each case. (That said, if I never see him do that damned air guitar again, it will be too soon. I'm with you there, that was fucking annoying.)
I didn't like the perceive mechanic much either, but I think it was a little better dealt with than you describe - after all, Apollo does in fact get actual information out of people, based on what makes them upset. I like the psychological warfare edge. For all his name and character design might indicate otherwise, he is not a nice person in the courtroom, and isn't afraid to show it.
And omgwtfbbq depressing indeed. Ouch. That was beautifully done. Phoenix in general was beautifully done. You know it's a bad sign when the presence of Edgeworth would drastically increase the average emotional stability of the cast.
And I am totally with you on no courtroom segments in Investigations. But I can see why they did it. After all, the best person to see Edgeworth taking on in court is Phoenix, but then you'd have to lose, and that's not a good goal for a game.
And Franziska is freaking epic in Investigations. *squee*
I wouldn't have minded it if a)it didn't happen so often, and b)you could skip it; it took too long.
Yeah, definitely agreeing to disagree. :) I totallly see where you're coming from.
(Thougyh you never did say what you thought of Kristoph as a villain. And have you seen the absolutely brain-breaking thing where someone slowed down the animation of the scar on the back of his hand during the Perceive sequence? The man has a scar of the Blue Badger, how bizarre is that.)
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Date: 2010-05-18 07:51 pm (UTC)I was really disappointed in the translation; I was not at all surprised to discover that they didn't get Alexander O. Smith to translate this one (I personally think he's the best game translator out there - he did Final Fantasy XII and Vagrant Story, in addition to the first four Ace Attorney games).
I personally really liked the Apollo Justice game. I thought it took the series, and the character of Phoenix in particular, in really interesting directions. And I absolutely adore the new prosecutors, and I thought Kristoph was a really spectacular villain.
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Date: 2010-05-18 08:55 pm (UTC)We will have to agree to disagree. Everything you like I absolutely hated. I have a hunch there's not much to be said productive about this, but I have to ask...
How did you not see Klavier as a really huge let-down as a prosecutor after Edgeworth, both Von Karmas, and Godot?
AJ: "I see you twitching! YOU MUST BE LYING!"
Klav: "Why... yes, yes she must."
Edgeworth would never stand for such bullshit, Franzy would whip you, and Godot would tell you how "Trite" this observation was. The fact that he does as much working "with" you as Edgeworth starts doing in 1-5 doesn't feel so great to me. With Edgeworth, you earn that, and the shift is pretty awesome.
Integral to this problem, the perceive mechanic bothered me a great deal. "You're twitching in a VERY suspicious and appropriate way!" in any context seems like a step backward on the drama/cool/reality scale from "You're lying, damnit, And I can prove it!"
I was SO upset when the best part of that game was the omgwtfbbq depressing flashback sequence where you get to be phoenix
Anyway -- not having courtroom segments is a weird weird feeling, especially since argument/rebuttal is mechanically identical to Testimony/Cross Ex.
Just finished case II... YAY FRANZY.
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Date: 2010-05-20 01:32 am (UTC)Also, I think the progression of "let's make Klavier prosecute people who are increasingly important to him" was very well done. They even added to the break-down animation each case. (That said, if I never see him do that damned air guitar again, it will be too soon. I'm with you there, that was fucking annoying.)
I didn't like the perceive mechanic much either, but I think it was a little better dealt with than you describe - after all, Apollo does in fact get actual information out of people, based on what makes them upset. I like the psychological warfare edge. For all his name and character design might indicate otherwise, he is not a nice person in the courtroom, and isn't afraid to show it.
And omgwtfbbq depressing indeed. Ouch. That was beautifully done. Phoenix in general was beautifully done. You know it's a bad sign when the presence of Edgeworth would drastically increase the average emotional stability of the cast.
And I am totally with you on no courtroom segments in Investigations. But I can see why they did it. After all, the best person to see Edgeworth taking on in court is Phoenix, but then you'd have to lose, and that's not a good goal for a game.
And Franziska is freaking epic in Investigations. *squee*
Re: Agreeing to Disagree Continues too!
Date: 2010-05-20 02:19 am (UTC)Re: Agreeing to Disagree Continues too!
Date: 2010-05-21 02:37 am (UTC)Yeah, definitely agreeing to disagree. :) I totallly see where you're coming from.
(Thougyh you never did say what you thought of Kristoph as a villain. And have you seen the absolutely brain-breaking thing where someone slowed down the animation of the scar on the back of his hand during the Perceive sequence? The man has a scar of the Blue Badger, how bizarre is that.)
Re: Agreeing to Disagree Continues too!
Date: 2010-05-21 04:44 pm (UTC)Kristoph was a good villain, I can't really offer too much argument there.
I just was a bigger fan of watching him get taken down by even watered down, washed up hobo Phoenix than by Apollo.